The Satanic Witch

[Helen]

What does everyone actually think of this book? More to the point where are you on the personality clock? Or do you think the clock is wrong?
Personally if I had to choose one I guess I'd have to be a 5 o'clock but I'm not sure, I'm not particularly leggy and I have quite a few of the 12 o'clock traits.
Oh, that La Vey was a riot.
But seriously I know a thing or two about sex and gender theory. This could be a good discussion. Shame there aren't more women here to balance this out, or homosexuals.

[Helen]

La Vey says you should live up to the stereotype of yourself. I'm not so sure.
On many occasions people have told me I look like the Evil Queen - Snow White's stepmother. Now while I think that's pretty cool (and funny because I guess there is a bit of a resemblence) I don't think it would boost my pulling power if I went about trying to kill young maidens, taking ugly potions and talking to mirrors.

[Dani]

I Have Never Read This Book, But I Will Have To Go Out And Buy It...

"Mirror Mirror In My Hand, Who's The Fairest In The Land?
My Mirror Laughed Then Gave A Grunt...It Aint You, You Ugly Cunt!"

Just Seemed Appropriate

Dani

Hail Satan

[Hadilath]

Hmm........as I read it, the point was more to read your target and play up to their most attractive stereotype, rather than one's own*g*

Which can work:)

And BTW, whaddya mean, not enough women here? Am I not enough woman for _anyone_ here? *eg*

(and I'm bi, too, which will help even up that quota too lol!)

[Helen]

Oh Hadilath I like your style!

I know what you mean but La Vey talks about how an ugly woman should become jokeshop-style haglike, so I think he meant play up yo the larger than life version of yourself, but obviously not to pull. I meant to pursue that angle more.
In my case the stereotype would probably be the Evil Queen. I think of myself as a lot less severe than that. I'd prefer my stereotype to be Jessica Rabbit or something but I guess I have to accept that that's not true. ( I was mostly joking in that section though, it has to be said. )
As for the use of stereotype you are referring to I think it's smart, but I have reservations. For now I'll leave it there because I'm fucking shattered and have to sleep.

[Hadilath]

LOL I tend to work on the "Evil Queen" angle too:)

...and just gave a long reply on another thread on my opinions on the value of such theatricality:)

If you are no longer tired, BTW, what were your reservations about the other use of stereotype?

Does this have anything to do with the sort of person one looks for changing throughout life, so one would have to know the psychological state of progress of the "target" to know whether they sought an "anima" figure as a partner or not? Which is the main stumbling block as far as I'm concerned lol...though on the whole when I've tried these techniques, they work...and not just on ppl one is seeking to attract, but also on customers at work lol....though there one also has to think about the alternative techniques of "matching" the target one would influence, occupying their reality and then drawing them into yours (viz NLP) *g*

[Helen]

My reservations about using the stereotype of your target's fantasy for pulling power are - fine if you just want a shag, not good if you actually want a long-lasting meaningful relationship. It's as simple as that for me. You cannot be anything other than 100% genuinely yourself if you want a successful relationship - although this does not mean I'm against the use of sexual role playing, of course.
I'm not entirely sure if La Vey thinks women should adopt the stereotype thing when they want a relationship, but he does believe in the old cliche that women can't separate emotion and romance from sex. I don't know about you Hadilath, but in my experience women most definitely can and do.

He also says women are not voyeuristic. That is also bollocks.

[Helen]

But having said that, anyway, in many ways I agree with a most of this book. A lot of the tips in it involve tricks I always did naturally before ever reading it.
It acknowledges that women may seek to make someone attracted to them because they just want the thrill of it alone, not because they actually want to sleep with that person, and I like the way La Vey views promiscuity, and ackowledges that just because a woman may appear available it doesn't mean she is.

[HighPriestWise]

I have read all of Lavey's books. I think the Satanic Witch is a ok book.
But the one I like best is the Satanic bible, but that's just me.

HAIL SATAN!!!
High Priest Wise
The New church of satanic unity
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[psiangel]

well I haven’t read this book but i was wondering if I should being bi. but my question is will it be worth a guy reading??

[Stuart Ellaway]

psiangel said:

well I haven’t read this book but i was wondering if I should being bi. but my question is will it be worth a guy reading??

From what I've heard it isn't really. Unless you want to be apprasied of all the tricks women can use to manipulate you.

Having said that though I haven't read it so I could be very very wrong.

[Helen]

It's kind of like a self help book for women to maximize their potential by exploiting their femininity (as this culture defines it). Femininity is a very powerful force, otherwise why would patriarchs go to such lengths to crush it? As far as La Vey was concerned women should tap into it and harness it as much as possible.
As a bisexual male you might find it an interesting read because you will probably be amused by La Vey's ideas about gender roles.
My favourite bit is when he tells you what you can tell about a person from their preferred salad dressing. Especially because he lumps homosexual men and submissive men in the same category and dominant women and lesbians in the same category. You can have dominant homosexuals and submissive lesbians too ya know! Not so 'deprogrammed' on that little theoretical point was Dr. La Vey!

I personally think that this book has more to say about Anton's particular fetishes, but in many ways it is very sharp, and I agreed with, and already practised, many of its little tricks.
Parts of it were kind of like the Satanic bible was to me, when I read it it felt like someone had articulated all of what I was already thinking. But I agreed with more in the SB.

Read it if you are at all interested in gender theory and you'll find it raises some interesting questions.

[psiangel]

ty for the help